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Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.27 11:33:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:First page all positive, I'm outta here 
I like the new changes. First ones were good anyway, but these are definitely a lot more interesting. And I don't think it is too game breaking giving specialised roles like this as they are tier 1 industrials, so hardly end game content which required fine balance. Nice work. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:44:00 -
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I would rather see the specialised bays on the ore ships actually. So +1 for that. But this is a good compromise anyway. Would it be possible if that option could be looked at further down the line though Fozzie or Rise? |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:08:00 -
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I'm not crying. I just think the ore ships need a look in on these new specialised bays. Perhaps we could create an ore ship which has multiple specialised bays, although at lower levels than the specialised t1 racial ships. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:25:00 -
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Abus Finkel wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Abus Finkel wrote:I see no reason for anyone to train anything other than Gallente industrials if this goes through. Why use any other races if Gallente can do the same plus much more. For hauling needs outside of the special bays you will generally get better performance from options other than Gallente. For a new player they can spend around 23d 16h to get Gallente Industrial V and get 37152m3 general purpose cargo 64500m3 minerals 67500m3 PI 63000m3 Ore Or they can spend the same time getting for example Amarr Industrial V and get 2049m3 more general purpose cargo 25299m3 less minerals 28299m3 less PI 23799m3 less Ore Choosing anything other than Gallente seems like a waste of time to me.
This is why they will need to release new racial industrials to transport various materials sometime in the future. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:49:00 -
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I like the changes but Gallente seem a little too good. I like the direction you went with Caldari having the best base stats, and the amarr being the kings of potential capacity. I think Caldari should at least match Gallente though in terms of the max potential capacity. And then Minmatar are a little lacking with the lowest capacity, and also an ammo/charge bay.
I don't know if this is because I haven't thought this through thoroughly, and their may be some awesome way to get great mineral capacity by manufacturing ammo and then refining it at destination. But then it seems if there was that slight meta edge you just nerfed it anyway by making the ship much larger than the others to transport. Why not give the minmatar a module bay, or something a little more useful.
(EDIT) Better yet, why not make all the gallente industrials specialised in some way. They would be the best in their area at transporting the largest amount, although the price you pay is a MUCH smaller standard bay. I really like the direction you are going here Rise, but I think it just needs another look at to get the balance right. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2013.06.28 09:43:00 -
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Edward Pierce wrote:If you really want to add some racial variety, remove the Iteron M. V so that Gallente don't have a general hauler option.
All the pro-variety people should be cool with that right? Since cross-training is no big deal.
This is what I am thinking to be honest. The gallente general purpose haulers need to be the worst, or at least not as good as they are right now. The specialised haulers are so good that it seems unfair to make the gallente general purpose haulers this good also. My thoughts would be to make the iteron V a specialised hauler as well and remove the normal cargo space. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:10:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Tiber Ibis wrote:
This is what I am thinking to be honest. The gallente general purpose haulers need to be the worst, or at least not as good as they are right now. The specialised haulers are so good that it seems unfair to make the gallente general purpose haulers this good also. My thoughts would be to make the iteron V a specialised hauler as well and remove the normal cargo space.
The issue is what would it be used for? I believe it was said that there was a technical reason preventing a POS fueler on this pass. (Tho in my opinion it would be better to combine all POS operations into a dedicated t2 rebalance) Actually. Perhaps it could be used to give a good in game test of the cargo bay that isn't affected by expanders that was mentioned earlier?
One option, make the Itty V carry gas, then make the Itty IV carry regular ore. Another option could be make the Itty V carry unpacakged ships. Another option make it carry ship modules. Literally tonnes of option available. |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.29 09:01:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:So now you have made Bestower best cargo capacity, rather than Iteron, you will be giving a skill refund to all players who trainined Gallente V for cargo capacity, right?
Seriousy, you just downgraded a 20 day train skill. Either fix that so it remains best capacity, add something useful like Ship Hauler Bay (50,000 m3 ships ONLY so an iteron can move a packed battleship), or give up a skill refund so people can swqritch to the new flavour of the month ... Amarr haulers.
I love the idea, but taking the top cargo ship off Gallente after so many years and giving it to another race is just a bad call, and a slap in the face to all those players who trained Gallente V - who now see everyone else flying thier ships with Gallente 1.
Iteron V needs to stay top cargo, or fair's fair, skil refund option.
No skill refund for you. Deal with it. |
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